Reality Check in the USA
in California Part Two
James Campion on terror and fate of Bush in '04.
also dont believe a drone like John Kerry or a radical like
Howard Dean or a blabbering dork like Dick Gephardt can best him
in a national campaign within the next 14 or so months. Period.'
my 9/3 conversation with GOP snitch, Georgetown, holed up in his suite
at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in downtown Los Angeles.
jc: All right, Iraq. It looks like were on plan 786 here. Every
possible roadblock is up. Were not unmitigated conquering heroes.
There has been an alarming influx of surrounding terrorist organizations.
Its becoming a shooting gallery and a money pit. We dont
have Saddam. We dont have bin Laden. And now Afghanistan has started
to percolate into a cauldron again.
Georgetown: Boo hoo. We are such a weak generation. It takes years to
secure countries, and by that I mean both Iraq and the United States.
Every sane person agrees that eradicating the Hussein government, whatever
the fuck that was, was imperative. So now we want everything afterwards
to go away? Where are the protesters who railed against Bush for leaving
the revolutionaries to die after Desert Storm? Either you want to aid
these people, or not.
jc: The boo hoo not withstanding, what I need to know is how much you
know of how together this administration is on going back to the UN
for a hand-out, a commitment to restructuring Iraq, and the relative
pot stirred by this whole occupation.
GT: Occupation is a bullshit buzzword and you know it. This is a peacekeeping,
post-victory stance this country has taken. If people opposed to the
war want to take pot shots, I expect it, but its whiners like
you that make it difficult to debate. You cant have everything.
I know you were in favor of ousting Hussein, so now you cannot pack
your bags and leave. This is a mission, not a movie. The credits dont
roll now that the regime has been toppled. You roll up your sleeves
and deal with the problem. And that just doesnt mean the Democrats
throwing money at it, or fighting it all the way anymore.
jc: I think Im pretty secure on record as saying for over five
years of published commentary that this should have been taken care
of by the CIA a long time ago. What is the point of having a CIA anymore?
Once we involved ground troops and sniffed around the UN for permission,
and waded around in international money concerns like we did by snuffing
out billions of dollars owed to the French, German and Russian governments
from Iraq, we put our military and our putrid economic situation in
further peril. And for what, really?
GT: So you prefer the old-fashioned assassination, coup de tat to a
show of military might?
jc: I want to know what this administration is doing right now. Because
I cannot figure it out. I fear theyre winging this thing, and
that is why you hear overt backbiting by Rumsfeld and Powell like youve
never heard out of these otherwise tight-lipped sops. Do you have any
information for my readers on what the inside scoop is presently on
GT: I do not. I never have, but its obvious. There has been a
commitment here monetarily, spiritually, systematically. The president
has a planned address for next week to run down the numbers.
(The president spoke late on Sunday 9/7 and proposed an $80 billion-plus
bill for the rebuilding and securing of Iraq, and a possible 12 month
jc: How long do you think this will take?
GT: As long as it does. I dont know. I dont know how anyone
knows. I can tell you from a political standpoint it cannot aid in the
re-election of the president, especially if there is still daily bloodshed.
And I dont know how it can be avoided. But I know this president,
unlike the last one, will not be motivated politically. The anniversary
of 9/11is here and maybe everyone will remember this countrys
commitment to protect itself.
jc: Youd have to agree we may be in more danger now, because of
the pomp and destruction of that war, the rumblings in Iran and now
North Korea and elsewhere. There is a ground swell of anti-American
rhetoric that gets through to the independent voice out there.
GT: After 9/11 there can be no independent voice. Sides and lines were
drawn long ago, pal. And anyway, even you would have to admit the anti-American
rhetoric had gotten to a saturation point before the attacks anyway.
I see this as taking a few with us.
jc: But thats a perpetual war.
GT: Yes it is.
jc: How long are we going to pussyfoot around with North Korea?
GT: More bullshit. China will decide that. I think there is pretty good
documentation now that the Chinese will step in and handle this. There
is too much money at stake. I may not agree with all of the Bush foreign
policy, but on the handling of North Korea, I do. There is no other
jc: Lets get on to politics. How do you see this gaggle of Democratic
GT: I cant be serious. These people cannot win. I truly mean that.
There is no worrying at the White House right now, at least not politically.
The presidents approval ratings have dropped, but his administration
is at an all-time low and it isnt even down in the 30% range.
I do think Bush is more vulnerable now than two years ago, but I also
dont believe a drone like John Kerry or a radical like Howard
Dean or a blabbering dork like Dick Gephardt can best him in a national
campaign within the next 14 or so months. Period.
jc: But its getting less risky to bash this war now, and it doesnt
look like a palpable economic recovery is possible by Christmas, which
usually translates into spring again, and then the campaign begins,
more or less. So, there is an opening.
GT: Bush is president. He does not have to deal with anything really
until late august. I dont see a clear-cut contender from the current
crowd who can beat Bush. The alternative remains a crapshoot, and this
is no time for a crapshoot.
jc: Yes, that plan worked gang busters for the first Bush.
GT: None of these guys have the out-of-nowhere political strength of
a Bill Clinton. Show me that and well talk.
jc: Hillary in 2008?
GT: Lets worry about 2004, but if you are inquiring if Ive
heard otherwise, I have not. This was the plan once Gore went down.
I dont think anyone in her camp thinks these dolts are going to
beat Bush either.
She will not face in incumbent in 08.
jc: How do Beltway conservatives, of which you are one, see Bush now
after this record government spending.
GT: I think, no, I know you will see a far more conservative Bush after
he gains a second term. Ill tell you I thought the fight over
the tax cuts were eventually lost. That pissed me off, but I cant
speak for everyone.
jc: Can I get your take on the big Madonna/Britney kiss on the MTV awards?
GT: Didnt Michael Jackson kiss Pee Wee Herman on that show a few
jc: Thats how I choose to recall it.
GT: I think when a franchise has been built on the back of phony shock
promotion; it sets itself up for this fabricated news bating. I find
the whole thing painfully wanting in terms of both its provocative content
and attention craving. MTV has been finished as a pop culture entity
for decades, and so is Madonna. I think the two represent the essence
of managing an undignified public death quite well. And I dont
know what the fuck a Britney is? Unless she kissed a canine pedigree
on an award show, then I apologize, thats entertainment
© James Campion September 14 2003
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